1 00:01:18,100 --> 00:01:20,100 This is not a trip to the zoo. like any other 2 00:01:20,135 --> 00:01:22,465 It is a very special occasion 3 00:01:22,500 --> 00:01:25,500 We have gathered these children for the first time 4 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,165 They are like any other child 5 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,700 except they come from social backgrounds very different 6 00:01:33,300 --> 00:01:34,665 Stop it now! 7 00:01:34,700 --> 00:01:38,100 We have gathered these children to take a look 8 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,465 to England in the year 2000 9 00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:44,500 The employee and the executive of the year 2000 10 00:01:44,535 --> 00:01:47,000 now they are seven years old 11 00:01:49,900 --> 00:01:53,565 In 1964 World in Action made the documentary "Seven Up" 12 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,800 Every seven years we have returned to record their lives 13 00:01:56,835 --> 00:01:59,600 They are now 42 years old 14 00:02:08,100 --> 00:02:10,300 [Speaks in Latin] 15 00:02:16,500 --> 00:02:17,800 speak louder 16 00:02:19,100 --> 00:02:23,400 At seven years old, Bruce was at a pre-high school boarding school 17 00:02:23,435 --> 00:02:26,817 At fourteen, he attended the St Paul's in London 18 00:02:26,852 --> 00:02:30,226 They don't force you to be upper class 19 00:02:30,261 --> 00:02:33,600 and stuff at St. Paul's 20 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,700 They suggest you not wear long hair and they send it to be cut 21 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:43,400 and teach to be reasonably polite 22 00:02:43,435 --> 00:02:46,700 and not despise the poorest people 23 00:02:48,100 --> 00:02:52,600 At 21 he was in his last year. mathematics at Oxford 24 00:02:55,100 --> 00:02:57,665 Can you show that this is irreducible 25 00:02:57,700 --> 00:03:02,100 and you make a transformation in this point and X = T 2 26 00:03:02,135 --> 00:03:04,165 Well, that's a good way to do it. 27 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,100 in particular using Eisenstein down here, your proof is very powerful 28 00:03:08,135 --> 00:03:12,600 Well there is a job, I would like to make maps 29 00:03:14,100 --> 00:03:16,700 It's nice, the outdoors 30 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,400 one goes... that is, one travels 31 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,150 but there are very few positions like that available 32 00:03:25,185 --> 00:03:27,992 One observes that the 7, what is prime number 33 00:03:28,027 --> 00:03:30,765 divide by the coefficient of T squared 34 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,500 I'm not going to continue in mathematics, I don't think I'm a teacher 35 00:03:34,900 --> 00:03:36,565 You're ahead now, see? 36 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,100 because DSC taxis have a profit of 2 thousand 37 00:03:39,135 --> 00:03:41,665 Eight taxis do not generate any profit, yes? 38 00:03:41,700 --> 00:03:45,300 Now, can you explain to Abdul? I want him to understand 39 00:03:49,500 --> 00:03:52,050 At 28 I was teaching 40 00:03:52,085 --> 00:03:54,565 to immigrant children in East London 41 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,365 I worked in a company insurance... 42 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,865 ...and I decided to get into teaching without any previous experience 43 00:04:00,900 --> 00:04:04,600 I didn't think they would let me teach to anyone who arrives 44 00:04:04,635 --> 00:04:07,265 I'll go to Africa 45 00:04:07,300 --> 00:04:12,000 to try to teach people uncivilized 46 00:04:12,035 --> 00:04:15,600 to be more or less good 47 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,700 Would you say that you are fulfilling your missionary dream? 48 00:04:21,735 --> 00:04:23,400 Well, not exactly 49 00:04:23,900 --> 00:04:26,965 They gave me the opportunity to come for a period 50 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:32,300 because the school has a great bond with this part of the world 51 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,100 At 35, Bruce was teaching in Sylhet in northern Bangladesh 52 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:42,100 And I also had the opportunity to learn a little Bengali 53 00:04:42,135 --> 00:04:45,400 which is very difficult, I'm not very good 54 00:04:51,500 --> 00:04:54,900 the straight line, yes, continue, continue 55 00:04:55,900 --> 00:04:57,565 no, no stop there 56 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,300 At 42, Bruce again teaches at the Eastend in London 57 00:05:01,335 --> 00:05:04,965 By marking all the points what do we discover? Unite them 58 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:10,100 This is Bishop Challoner Girls' School Roman Catholic in the Eastend in London 59 00:05:10,500 --> 00:05:14,200 There are around a thousand girls, from 11 to 18 years 60 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,600 and I'm here about five years 61 00:05:21,100 --> 00:05:26,800 It was an opportunity to move up. to head of the mathematics faculty 62 00:05:26,835 --> 00:05:29,200 and at the same time teach to prepare for final exams 63 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,700 I did not agree with the conservatives regarding blacks 64 00:05:34,735 --> 00:05:37,700 His racial politics and all that. 65 00:05:38,700 --> 00:05:43,100 Here I am an optimist, I think we can show the way... 66 00:05:43,135 --> 00:05:47,500 to develop a society more harmonious and multicultural 67 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:57,100 I am glad that I know to an Algerian neighbor... 68 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,065 ...which says that in other European countries... 69 00:06:01,100 --> 00:06:05,600 ...the police spit on them, harass them and they beat them 70 00:06:05,635 --> 00:06:10,100 Here it says: "I walk down the street and nobody cares" 71 00:06:10,135 --> 00:06:14,465 My girlfriend is in Africa 72 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:18,900 and I don't think I'll be able to see her again 73 00:06:18,935 --> 00:06:21,900 - Do you have a girlfriend? - No 74 00:06:21,935 --> 00:06:25,100 Not yet, but it will come 75 00:06:25,135 --> 00:06:26,365 but not yet 76 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:30,700 I think a lot of people think too much about that. 77 00:06:30,735 --> 00:06:34,700 I think I would like it a lot... 78 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,000 start my own family 79 00:06:41,035 --> 00:06:43,967 It is a necessity that I believe what must I fulfill 80 00:06:44,002 --> 00:06:46,900 and I would like to do it well 81 00:06:46,935 --> 00:06:49,365 Yeah, I'm not married or anything. 82 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,400 and I guess I would have liked let it happen 83 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,400 Well I guess actually there are many reasons 84 00:06:59,435 --> 00:07:01,665 I guess I haven't met to the right person 85 00:07:01,700 --> 00:07:04,365 Well, the years go by, Does that worry you? 86 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:09,700 Not particularly, I remain optimistic, Who knows who I'll meet tomorrow? 87 00:07:10,500 --> 00:07:12,865 I think that's the problem to be reserved 88 00:07:12,900 --> 00:07:17,000 They don't reject you but you never know what would have happened, but I'm getting better 89 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,100 How do I look? 90 00:07:25,300 --> 00:07:28,700 I think it was when we were putting together Annie's school play 91 00:07:29,100 --> 00:07:32,850 and Bruce played president roosevelt 92 00:07:32,885 --> 00:07:36,600 and I had to apply the makeup 93 00:07:37,700 --> 00:07:40,300 not many men let themselves get high the makeup 94 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:46,800 I have the pleasure of this here in this happy occasion 95 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:51,800 to celebrate the marriage Bruce and Penelope 96 00:07:55,500 --> 00:07:58,300 Bruce and Penny They got married last summer 97 00:07:58,335 --> 00:08:00,700 she is a teacher at school by bruce 98 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,765 - Me Bruce Swain - Me Bruce Swain 99 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,800 - I take you Penelope Sarah Jane - I take you Penelope Sarah Jane 100 00:08:11,835 --> 00:08:13,065 like my wife 101 00:08:13,100 --> 00:08:15,800 How did he propose it to you? and where? 102 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,100 It was on the couch 103 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:24,200 in the middle of a conversation completely different 104 00:08:24,700 --> 00:08:29,765 I suddenly wonder if I would like to marry him 105 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,700 And if I wasn't lending attention I didn't even realize. 106 00:08:32,735 --> 00:08:36,117 - to love you and love you - to love you and love you 107 00:08:36,152 --> 00:08:39,500 - until death do us part - until death do us part 108 00:08:44,100 --> 00:08:46,700 It's actually quite unusual 109 00:08:47,100 --> 00:08:51,400 we did almost everything and we had the reception here 110 00:08:53,300 --> 00:08:56,600 We didn't have many things that There are usually at weddings... 111 00:08:56,635 --> 00:09:00,000 ...like cars and photographers and stuff. 112 00:09:01,300 --> 00:09:03,400 Everybody say "whiskey." 113 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,100 We only planned what we wanted and in the end everything turned out very well 114 00:09:08,135 --> 00:09:10,400 It was a very pleasant day 115 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,300 In practice, I eat better, I stay better 116 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,400 thanks to Bruce, overall I organize myself better than before 117 00:09:23,435 --> 00:09:27,817 he is very good at organizing finances and... 118 00:09:27,852 --> 00:09:31,626 manage bank accounts and be sensible 119 00:09:31,661 --> 00:09:35,365 One of the strange things was that his mother said: 120 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,700 "It's good that Penny has someone." to take care of her and cook for her" 121 00:09:38,735 --> 00:09:42,300 Sometimes it is rather the other way around. 122 00:09:44,100 --> 00:09:47,500 What is the most shocking of being married? 123 00:09:48,500 --> 00:09:51,850 I think I throw away three bags of clothes 124 00:09:51,885 --> 00:09:55,200 two did not reach the charity shop 125 00:09:55,235 --> 00:09:57,565 - Right, love? - Yeah! 126 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,300 But I guess some were some ugly pants. 127 00:10:00,335 --> 00:10:02,365 maybe they deserved to go in the trash 128 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,900 Does he think that the discovery of gold Was it positive for Transvaal? 129 00:10:05,935 --> 00:10:09,565 She is very stubborn and doesn't let anything happen 130 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,900 especially at school, wants to leave everything well done 131 00:10:13,935 --> 00:10:18,500 prepare lessons in time 132 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,800 and is very sensitive and receptive 133 00:10:23,835 --> 00:10:26,500 helps me be a better person 134 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,665 I could become petulant or anything 135 00:10:29,700 --> 00:10:33,200 And somehow that's not appropriate. for the situation 136 00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:36,800 My wish is to be able to see my dad 137 00:10:36,835 --> 00:10:39,500 which is six thousand miles from here 138 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,150 I don't remember being happy there. 139 00:10:44,185 --> 00:10:46,900 I also remember having miserable feeling 140 00:10:46,935 --> 00:10:48,900 because I remember crying 141 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,600 I felt like they were always hitting me and I never understood why 142 00:10:53,635 --> 00:10:54,800 Squad! High! 143 00:10:55,200 --> 00:11:00,100 People may say that sometimes I'm a little naive 144 00:11:00,135 --> 00:11:03,567 and before I worried and thought... 145 00:11:03,602 --> 00:11:07,000 maybe they shouldn't accept me or cheat on me or... 146 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,800 I'm not talking about love, but in more general terms 147 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,565 I think I do have more confidence 148 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:22,000 especially when expressing myself and keep my opinions 149 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,300 I think that if one has someone's company 150 00:11:25,335 --> 00:11:28,165 that makes you more mature because 151 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,300 you no longer think only of yourself, you also think about the other 152 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,265 What ambitions do you have now? 153 00:11:41,300 --> 00:11:45,600 I could reach someone management position at some point 154 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,000 but I don't have the aspiration become a director or assistant director 155 00:11:51,035 --> 00:11:52,500 Why? 156 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,700 In that instance one tends to get away from the classroom 157 00:11:56,735 --> 00:12:01,065 and you also have to attend courses 158 00:12:01,100 --> 00:12:04,200 obtain a master's degree in educational studies and so on... 159 00:12:04,900 --> 00:12:07,900 Actually, we are already quite busy 160 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:13,250 For now I am with a mentality middle aged 161 00:12:13,285 --> 00:12:18,100 Middle age is the best description. 162 00:12:19,700 --> 00:12:21,500 Keep going, Potter! 163 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,100 How are you doing, dear? 164 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:30,265 Well dear, thank you 165 00:12:30,300 --> 00:12:33,500 If you saw me playing cricket now 166 00:12:33,535 --> 00:12:37,600 It's funny, it's just an old woodcutter, you know 167 00:12:37,635 --> 00:12:41,965 do not precipitate nor throw the ball 168 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:46,700 the spark, the youth, is gone, all that is no longer 169 00:12:47,100 --> 00:12:48,700 Not so fast! 170 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,965 We could have children, I don't know. 171 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,500 yes in seven years We live in a slightly bigger house... 172 00:12:58,535 --> 00:13:01,465 with a young family it would be nice 173 00:13:01,500 --> 00:13:05,400 I don't want to bet everything on that so that in the end it does not turn out 174 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,365 we are already old 175 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:13,200 raising teenage children the 50s something strange 176 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,900 Looking at half your life, Do you regret anything? 177 00:13:22,935 --> 00:13:26,200 I'm married now with a wonderful person 178 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:32,200 That overcomes some things that They couldn't be or... 179 00:13:32,700 --> 00:13:34,665 the opportunities I missed 180 00:13:34,700 --> 00:13:37,400 and you never know what the future holds 181 00:13:37,435 --> 00:13:40,800 I think I'm lucky to have Penny 182 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,100 He is the most generous person that I have known 183 00:13:46,500 --> 00:13:51,500 is someone who always can be trusted 184 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,000 Oh, I could quote that sometime! 185 00:13:56,035 --> 00:13:59,065 It's not... 186 00:13:59,100 --> 00:14:03,700 He is not one of those men that leave you with doubts 187 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,000 I don't like it 188 00:14:08,100 --> 00:14:11,100 The biggest ones hit me 189 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,800 And the prefects kick us out for anything 190 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:21,600 When he was seven years old, Paul I was in a children's home in London 191 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,800 Were you happy in the children's home? in England? 192 00:14:25,900 --> 00:14:29,300 We weren't really worried because we didn't know what was happening 193 00:14:29,335 --> 00:14:31,300 because back then he was very small 194 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:36,000 I think my parents broke up originally 195 00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:39,800 Then they divorced 196 00:14:39,900 --> 00:14:44,100 I was in boarding school for a year and then we went to Australia 197 00:14:45,100 --> 00:14:47,200 my father remarried 198 00:14:47,300 --> 00:14:52,500 Paul left with his father and stepmother to a suburb of Melbourne 199 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:57,600 How did growing up affect you? in a troubled marriage? 200 00:14:57,635 --> 00:15:03,000 The only thing I think could have caused It's my lack of confidence 201 00:15:03,035 --> 00:15:06,517 not being able to show my feelings 202 00:15:06,552 --> 00:15:10,000 Would you like to get married, Paul? 203 00:15:10,500 --> 00:15:13,800 - Why not? - I don't like it... 204 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,700 What if I have a wife 205 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:22,300 and I have to eat what cooks me 206 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:26,600 And if I don't like vegetables 207 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:32,000 and she says I have to eat what they give me 208 00:15:32,035 --> 00:15:36,400 and if I don't like vegetables, and give me vegetables? 209 00:15:36,435 --> 00:15:39,000 There it ends! 210 00:15:39,100 --> 00:15:42,500 I know I prefer solitude 211 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,700 I can't say I don't want to get married, I think I do want to 212 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,200 but I want a happy marriage so I want to make sure 213 00:15:50,235 --> 00:15:53,000 What was it that made you fall in love with him? 214 00:15:53,100 --> 00:15:57,600 His helplessness, I suppose, wakes me up maternal instinct 215 00:15:57,635 --> 00:15:59,700 to pick him up and hug him 216 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,300 I also find him attractive although he does not agree 217 00:16:03,335 --> 00:16:07,100 In the summer he looks cute butt with shorts 218 00:16:07,135 --> 00:16:09,600 I could tell a few anecdotes but 219 00:16:09,700 --> 00:16:12,900 what irritates me the most is when We argue and he says 220 00:16:12,935 --> 00:16:16,800 "Now, ready, leave me" and I tell him "it's okay, someday I will" 221 00:16:16,835 --> 00:16:20,000 How has your married life been? Since the last time we saw each other? 222 00:16:20,035 --> 00:16:22,200 Oh, shocking! 223 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,400 We had our 20th anniversary just before christmas 224 00:16:26,435 --> 00:16:28,300 It looks like a life sentence 225 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,700 Yes! Everyone says that at this point they should free us 226 00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:35,800 At 28 years old, Paul and Sue they had two children 227 00:16:35,835 --> 00:16:38,200 Katie and Robert 228 00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:44,500 At 35 years old, he took his family on vacation to London 229 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,100 to show them their place of origin 230 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,800 When Katie was born, Paul told me 231 00:16:50,835 --> 00:16:52,700 "It's good that I have a daughter" 232 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,600 "When I'm old at least "he will give me kisses and hugs" 233 00:16:56,635 --> 00:17:00,500 She is the shyer of the two 234 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,500 probably got it out of me 235 00:17:08,100 --> 00:17:10,000 Katie loves it go shopping 236 00:17:10,500 --> 00:17:15,700 We are beginning to discover what unites us, She looks a lot like Paul. 237 00:17:15,735 --> 00:17:20,500 and he still doesn't know what do in the future 238 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:26,400 I really like painting, art, music, and she has approached that 239 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,200 seems to have a creative spark 240 00:17:30,235 --> 00:17:32,600 What does university mean? 241 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,800 I am very happy with Katie 242 00:17:34,900 --> 00:17:38,100 and it's not to disparage Rob but I'm scared for him 243 00:17:38,135 --> 00:17:40,000 because it's costing you a little 244 00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:41,900 He has already had three teachers 245 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,900 Let's say they don't know how to motivate him. 246 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,100 Robert had started school. and had some problems 247 00:17:52,300 --> 00:17:54,800 In normal schools it's like a square 248 00:17:54,900 --> 00:17:59,200 in a round hole so we changed schools 249 00:17:59,235 --> 00:18:03,000 It is a community school much more relaxed 250 00:18:03,035 --> 00:18:05,800 and as a family we are much calmer 251 00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:12,000 I wanted to be a police officer but I think it's difficult to get in 252 00:18:12,035 --> 00:18:16,500 I still haven't decided, I wanted to be a gym teacher but 253 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,350 a teacher told me that 254 00:18:19,385 --> 00:18:21,900 I had to go to university 255 00:18:23,300 --> 00:18:28,300 At 21, Paul was a minority partner in a masonry company 256 00:18:28,335 --> 00:18:32,600 At the age of 28 he had become independent. as subcontractor 257 00:18:32,635 --> 00:18:34,500 but it didn't work 258 00:18:36,100 --> 00:18:41,600 I have moved on from a stable job as a bricklayer... 259 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,400 I've probably been through ten or fifteen jobs, I haven't counted them 260 00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:52,700 although they have never kicked me out, I just haven't been able to establish myself 261 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:58,700 Now Paul works for a plastics company, installing industrial signs 262 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,900 I think I have reached a stage What do I want to keep working on? 263 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:09,700 two or three years ago I tried trained and went to school 264 00:19:09,735 --> 00:19:14,300 I took a carpentry course because I wanted to work on it 265 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:19,000 but I found there were too many good carpenters without jobs 266 00:19:19,500 --> 00:19:22,700 so I left it 267 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,550 I guess it's partly because of me. lack of self-confidence 268 00:19:26,585 --> 00:19:30,300 and the laundry monitors they took out the caretaker 269 00:19:30,335 --> 00:19:34,200 no one was talking I wasn't talking 270 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,500 and Brown took me out without any reason 271 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,900 It's almost always difficult for me express my emotions 272 00:19:39,935 --> 00:19:42,500 I'm getting over it now though. 273 00:19:42,535 --> 00:19:44,200 now I am more than happy 274 00:19:44,300 --> 00:19:48,800 Simple things I tell Susan, like "I love you" or stuff like that 275 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,700 I mean, I can tell you 276 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,600 but I haven't been able to tell him freely to Sue, you know? 277 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,700 - Do you still have trust issues? - Yes, unfortunately 278 00:20:00,735 --> 00:20:03,100 I have learned to live with it 279 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,400 accept it but never I have completely overcome 280 00:20:07,435 --> 00:20:10,100 and that bothers me 281 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,900 but there is nothing that can do about it 282 00:20:15,100 --> 00:20:19,600 I am more at peace with horses and animals 283 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,200 I may be upset or tense but under where the horses 284 00:20:24,235 --> 00:20:27,800 and in three or four minutes I already forget everything 285 00:20:27,835 --> 00:20:30,300 so calm me down 286 00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:34,100 but I can get there to get very angry 287 00:20:34,135 --> 00:20:35,700 and... 288 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,650 in certain circumstances I can explode terribly 289 00:20:39,685 --> 00:20:43,500 Luckily that doesn't happen much. these days 290 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,100 At the beginning of the year, Paul and Sue moved to another suburb in Melbourne 291 00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:54,000 Compared to the previous It's like living in a palace 292 00:20:54,035 --> 00:20:56,000 It's almost twice as big 293 00:20:56,100 --> 00:20:59,900 there are probably more professionals living in this sector 294 00:21:01,100 --> 00:21:04,700 - So they have risen a little? - Yes 295 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,800 we already finished paying the other house so... 296 00:21:07,835 --> 00:21:10,600 I guess too has forced us to save 297 00:21:10,700 --> 00:21:13,500 I think we will have to spend less 298 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,000 It wouldn't be enough for us alone with Paul's salary 299 00:21:20,100 --> 00:21:25,400 sometimes it's the difference between eat and pay the bills 300 00:21:25,435 --> 00:21:29,900 today the majority depends on two salaries to survive 301 00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:36,100 Since Robert was born, I am a hairdresser at home 302 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,650 I'm going to cut your hair but it's like going on visits 303 00:21:43,685 --> 00:21:47,900 some people love me more like to talk 304 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,100 Let me tell you how it goes, and they to me. 305 00:21:52,135 --> 00:21:54,700 I have 23 coins 3pence 306 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,900 and I don't know how many coins halfpenny I have now 307 00:21:58,935 --> 00:22:01,500 I spend, yes, I spend 308 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,100 He doesn't save basically because I don't give it to save 309 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:11,200 I do not receive remuneration but they give me money for each job 310 00:22:12,700 --> 00:22:16,800 Paul's salary is deposited directly in the bank and 311 00:22:16,835 --> 00:22:20,900 It is silver that cannot be seen, then that money is spent 312 00:22:20,935 --> 00:22:22,400 It's like fictitious money 313 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:27,000 I always joke that It is a myth that they pay me money 314 00:22:27,035 --> 00:22:30,600 because it's been years without seeing real money! 315 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:37,700 At twenty, Paul and Sue sold everything, They bought a van and toured Australia 316 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:41,800 I think it brought us closer in our relationship, we got to know each other very well 317 00:22:41,835 --> 00:22:44,300 and to trust in each other 318 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,400 When I was young I wanted to be pure go from melbourne 319 00:22:48,435 --> 00:22:51,000 it would have only been enough for me Sue's encouragement 320 00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:55,450 If Susan had wanted the same now we wouldn't be here 321 00:22:55,485 --> 00:22:59,800 I think as I get older The idea of doing it makes me more nervous. 322 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,550 I know that out there even there are many places left 323 00:23:05,585 --> 00:23:09,700 I don't know why but obviously It's important to me 324 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:15,300 It is such a beautiful country even the deserts 325 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,300 Nowadays what is the most entertaining of life for you two? 326 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:25,300 - I would say that Christmas - Yes, Christmas 327 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,900 with children because they love it 328 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,800 This summer we had a fantastic time, We had a week with excellent weather 329 00:23:32,835 --> 00:23:39,600 It's how family should be and that's why it stands out 330 00:23:41,300 --> 00:23:46,100 I guess I do feel older but I'm comfortable with it 331 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,600 I always remember when I was younger and always longed to grow old 332 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,100 even reach eighty years 333 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,200 It hasn't been something that worries me 334 00:23:58,300 --> 00:24:00,900 one of our wishes always was growing old together 335 00:24:00,935 --> 00:24:03,300 It's true, we always said 336 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,900 I always tell my children "how nice it is to be loved" 337 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,100 know that someone loves you, It must be sad for people... 338 00:24:12,135 --> 00:24:15,800 that they have no one, who don't feel loved 339 00:24:15,900 --> 00:24:20,500 and every day one goes home and think "they are going to be there" 340 00:24:20,535 --> 00:24:23,500 it's nice to come back to the house 341 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,200 some people from Africa they come here 342 00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:32,000 but when they go they put on their clothes 343 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:37,000 Jackie, Lynn and Sue grew up in the Eastend in London 344 00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:39,900 and they were friends in high school 345 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,250 - I have never gone abroad - Neither do I - I do 346 00:24:43,285 --> 00:24:46,300 - Oh, because you went on that cruise - Yes 347 00:24:46,335 --> 00:24:49,565 In my life I have had the opportunities that I have wanted 348 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,900 - I have had more opportunities than... - Yes, you have 349 00:24:52,935 --> 00:24:54,865 I think we all could have gone 350 00:24:54,900 --> 00:24:59,100 and not where we would have liked according to our capabilities 351 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,865 That is, we chose our own works 352 00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:06,265 We were able to choose our jobs freely 353 00:25:06,300 --> 00:25:09,365 It's true, our options were limited 354 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,000 We did not have the option of a private school. because we couldn't afford it anyway 355 00:25:14,100 --> 00:25:17,600 I wish I had wished for something with so much passion. to chase him until he reached him 356 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,200 I hope my children want something with fervor 357 00:25:22,235 --> 00:25:24,965 and fight to get it, I would like that 358 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:30,800 Now there are different things, technology has taken off a lot in the last ten years 359 00:25:32,500 --> 00:25:35,400 - Computers and... - They have much more access 360 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,600 I think much more than the one we had 361 00:25:39,635 --> 00:25:41,765 I'm going to work at Woolworths 362 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:47,800 Well, I work in a mobile school library. and I am an assistant at the youth office 363 00:25:47,835 --> 00:25:49,700 which is where we are now 364 00:25:50,500 --> 00:25:55,200 At age 21, Lynne had begun a career in a mobile library 365 00:25:55,235 --> 00:25:58,000 in Tower Hamlets in East London 366 00:25:58,900 --> 00:26:00,600 Sleeping Beauty 367 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,265 teach children the beauty of books... 368 00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:08,900 ...and see their faces when they open the books... 369 00:26:08,935 --> 00:26:10,665 ...it's fantastic. 370 00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:14,400 To work with children they have you What to like, I love them. 371 00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:21,000 Due to budget cuts, Tower Hamlets closed its mobile library 372 00:26:21,035 --> 00:26:23,800 and Lynne went to work in Bethnal Green. 373 00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:27,800 One of the available positions It was a branch of the children's library 374 00:26:27,835 --> 00:26:29,800 and they placed me here. 375 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,500 They hadn't had a librarian. For children from 9 years old. 376 00:26:33,535 --> 00:26:35,900 you draw better than me 377 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,200 The story I brought you this morning It's The Magic Bicycle 378 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,565 and it's about mark 379 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,565 I make educational visits to 19 or 20 courses, or more... 380 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:55,400 They come to the library and I tell stories or reading skills 381 00:26:55,435 --> 00:26:58,000 but he didn't know how to walk 382 00:27:01,100 --> 00:27:06,300 I have been a member of school boards in Tower Hamlets for twelve or thirteen years 383 00:27:06,700 --> 00:27:09,665 I currently run the school council 384 00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:14,300 The agent has called me two or three times this week to find out what happens 385 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,300 They wanted to come talk to me and the coordinator 386 00:27:18,335 --> 00:27:20,700 to see how the project was going 387 00:27:20,735 --> 00:27:23,300 and observe a class 388 00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:29,700 - Do you see yourself not working? - No 389 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,000 I like to feel the pressure to have my life full of things 390 00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:39,500 It's stimulating 391 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,900 There are times when I come home totally dead 392 00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:49,200 I'm going home, I sleep 393 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,700 I know he likes her and he likes her 394 00:27:53,735 --> 00:27:55,665 I don't like it 395 00:27:55,700 --> 00:27:59,165 I had a marriage all in white 396 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,800 We were both wearing white and my bridesmaid too 397 00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:05,100 I've been married for a year and... 398 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,000 a couple of months 399 00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:10,700 one thinks "God, what did I do?" 400 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,400 - I still have my ideals - And I mean it! 401 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,900 and my husband thinks the same, sometimes you think "God, what did I do?" 402 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:27,250 Lynne married Russ at age 19, They have two children, Sara and Emma 403 00:28:27,285 --> 00:28:32,700 We got married young but it was because We wanted to go out and have fun together. 404 00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:35,700 and grow together 405 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,265 How do you handle having a career, raise a family 406 00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:44,700 - and maintain a marriage? - We have always collaborated together 407 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,200 I couldn't do it without him 408 00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:51,965 Russ cooks during the week, I cook on weekends 409 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,400 It's not that I run to the house to cook for everyone 410 00:28:56,435 --> 00:28:59,000 I know when it comes it's going to be done 411 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:03,900 we are in this together and we love each other 412 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,400 we have never stopped doing it 413 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,200 If I could I would have two girls and two boys 414 00:29:11,235 --> 00:29:13,065 Me too! 415 00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:17,700 Used by a doctor in doses controlled is beneficial 416 00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:24,850 50% of adolescents between 14 and 18 years old have tried drugs 417 00:29:24,885 --> 00:29:29,000 I think Emma is more like me, Sara is calmer, she's like Russ 418 00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:33,700 Now that they've grown up, I look back and I think that 419 00:29:33,735 --> 00:29:36,300 Emma looks a lot like me. 420 00:29:44,300 --> 00:29:47,865 Emma took her GCSE and got a 10 421 00:29:47,900 --> 00:29:51,200 returned to sixth form college and is taking his A-levels 422 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,400 he doesn't know what he wants to do 423 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,100 now he has his own life and he is building it 424 00:30:00,135 --> 00:30:03,000 make your own decisions 425 00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:09,665 we went through the stage of "terrible pair" 426 00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:13,700 when one goes through that time looks terrible 427 00:30:13,735 --> 00:30:15,967 like it's never going to end 428 00:30:16,002 --> 00:30:18,165 but my parents told me 429 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,700 "Don't worry, it will pass, "they will get over it" 430 00:30:21,735 --> 00:30:24,067 "and the next stage, and the next one" 431 00:30:24,102 --> 00:30:26,400 and I think it's always like that 432 00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:29,500 I would like to talk to my parents and ask them 433 00:30:29,535 --> 00:30:32,065 "Did I really put them through all that?" 434 00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:35,265 I remember something and yes, ugh, That's how I must have been 435 00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:38,500 until one doesn't go through that one does not realize 436 00:30:38,535 --> 00:30:41,100 the hell you made them pass on to your parents 437 00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:45,700 When she was 35 years old, her mother Lynne had passed away. 438 00:30:45,735 --> 00:30:48,700 In addition to being a mother, she was a great friend. 439 00:30:48,735 --> 00:30:51,100 probably the best friend what will I have in my life 440 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,300 It's only been two years 441 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,500 some will think "Oh, that's quite a long time." 442 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,500 It wasn't long ago. 443 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,800 most of my life has changed since the last time we spoke 444 00:31:05,835 --> 00:31:08,365 I lost my dad 445 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,600 and right after "35 Up" came out he passed away 446 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,165 they took care of the girls when I worked 447 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,700 After my mother died, the first thing What my dad told me was "now it's my turn" 448 00:31:22,735 --> 00:31:27,000 and from one moment to the next we ended up losing them both 449 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,600 At age 35, Lynne was passing due to their own health problems 450 00:31:32,635 --> 00:31:35,767 They put some tubes in me 451 00:31:35,802 --> 00:31:38,900 and they discovered that he had veins 452 00:31:38,935 --> 00:31:41,100 from here, they shouldn't be there 453 00:31:41,135 --> 00:31:43,700 - In your brain? - Yes 454 00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:47,500 - And what can be done with that? - Not much for now 455 00:31:47,535 --> 00:31:49,900 They are investigating others... 456 00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:56,200 ...treatments, but the surgeon he said that... 457 00:31:58,100 --> 00:32:03,100 does not want to operate at the moment because it is very close to the optic nerve 458 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,800 will never heal, I still have this 459 00:32:07,835 --> 00:32:11,100 venous malformation, will always be 460 00:32:11,135 --> 00:32:13,700 obviously he has it since I was born 461 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,365 there is a 1% chance to cause bleeding 462 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,100 I'm more likely to get hit on the street 463 00:32:25,135 --> 00:32:30,900 and in that perspective, I don't worry 464 00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:37,000 - Do you think a lot about death? - No, I'm not worried at all. 465 00:32:37,035 --> 00:32:39,265 my dad taught me that 466 00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:42,400 I was not afraid of death 467 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,500 are the people who remain 468 00:32:47,500 --> 00:32:52,300 those who bear the brunt 469 00:32:56,900 --> 00:33:00,300 - Do you have a spiritual side? - Yes 470 00:33:00,700 --> 00:33:02,700 - Can you talk about that? - No 471 00:33:02,735 --> 00:33:04,465 Why? 472 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:07,565 It's private, it's personal, It's part of me 473 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:12,400 It's part of who I am, I 474 00:33:12,435 --> 00:33:15,865 Good things don't always happen, right? 475 00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:19,700 I know you have thought about that... 476 00:33:20,500 --> 00:33:24,000 - Do you think your principles have changed throughout your life? - Yes 477 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,750 I think we have lost many of our principles 478 00:33:28,785 --> 00:33:32,700 I think many values have been lost. 479 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,750 Like which ones? 480 00:33:37,785 --> 00:33:40,265 respect 481 00:33:40,300 --> 00:33:45,200 There seems to be a huge lack of respect. towards everything 482 00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:51,650 I think that makes parenting difficult. to children today 483 00:33:51,685 --> 00:33:56,600 because our values are so high and expect them to keep them 484 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,200 - Do you expect a lot from them? - You always hope for the best 485 00:34:01,235 --> 00:34:05,617 but I think that also I am flexible 486 00:34:05,652 --> 00:34:10,000 I'm learning to let go certain things 487 00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:14,700 I mean, fortunately 488 00:34:14,735 --> 00:34:17,300 everything has turned out well 489 00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:22,800 this girl has lost a relationship but he has won others 490 00:34:22,835 --> 00:34:25,765 that's how his life has been 491 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,600 - Russ and I have been together... - I really envy you 492 00:34:29,635 --> 00:34:32,500 - Of course, me too - I envy them because... 493 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,965 I don't know how 494 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:41,165 For whatever reason, you and Russ They have managed to maintain that 495 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,400 - and I failed at that - Me too, I definitely failed. 496 00:34:45,435 --> 00:34:50,117 everyone loves Jeffrey and we all wanted to marry him 497 00:34:50,152 --> 00:34:54,800 I think I know who he likes the most and it's her 498 00:34:54,835 --> 00:35:00,065 I don't think I'll get married so young. 499 00:35:00,100 --> 00:35:02,765 I would like to have a full life first and meet people 500 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,600 - I would like to enjoy myself more before... - Yes, before you commit 501 00:35:06,635 --> 00:35:07,665 with having a family 502 00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:09,900 we had a teacher at school 503 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,165 what he always said... 504 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,465 "The only thing girls want is... 505 00:35:15,500 --> 00:35:18,065 drop out of school, get married, have children, drive a car 506 00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:21,000 with a cigarette hanging from his mouth" 507 00:35:21,035 --> 00:35:23,365 For me, marriage it's something else 508 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,300 I still idealize marriage, I don't know what it is 509 00:35:26,335 --> 00:35:29,317 Sue was 24 when she married Billy. 510 00:35:29,352 --> 00:35:32,265 they had two children, William and Katherine 511 00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:35,600 I think that by marrying young you miss some things 512 00:35:35,635 --> 00:35:39,965 one misses that crucial stage to be oneself 513 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,100 because when you get married you are no longer an individual being 514 00:35:44,135 --> 00:35:47,000 you are a couple, and so It's how it should be 515 00:35:47,900 --> 00:35:52,100 When I was 35 years old, She and Billy had divorced. 516 00:35:52,135 --> 00:35:55,265 I have never sat down to think 517 00:35:55,300 --> 00:35:58,700 What was that, what? 518 00:35:58,735 --> 00:36:00,665 I just knew that wasn't working 519 00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:03,800 I have had relationships in which I could have committed 520 00:36:03,835 --> 00:36:07,517 but it didn't feel that good, so... 521 00:36:07,552 --> 00:36:11,165 I always walked away 522 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,000 and waited until it arrived the right person 523 00:36:15,035 --> 00:36:16,900 If it comes! 524 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,065 Deep down, he probably wanted not having to do it 525 00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:27,050 I would like to have stayed married and have that solid relationship 526 00:36:27,085 --> 00:36:32,000 but I am one of those people who I like to go out and have a good time 527 00:36:32,035 --> 00:36:34,165 It's not something that difficult for me, but 528 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,200 I think that when one turns forty start thinking... 529 00:36:37,235 --> 00:36:41,300 maybe I should go a little slower 530 00:36:43,900 --> 00:36:48,100 I have been a single mother for a long time and I raised my children alone 531 00:36:48,135 --> 00:36:51,100 because Katherine barely had two years when Bill left 532 00:36:51,135 --> 00:36:53,765 has been extremely difficult 533 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,600 and sometimes very lonely 534 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,365 Do you think William Do you miss having a father? 535 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,800 It's likely, he doesn't speak a lot of that 536 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:12,800 It looks so strong, so deep, doesn't talk much 537 00:37:12,835 --> 00:37:15,465 has my dad, my dad is here 538 00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:19,350 probably my children They owe a lot to their grandparents 539 00:37:19,385 --> 00:37:23,200 my parents have been spectacular 540 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,400 with William, I want him pursue a career that satisfies you 541 00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:32,600 which is something I never had 542 00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:36,100 I would like that for him, for both of us, but particularly for the 543 00:37:36,135 --> 00:37:39,417 because he can go far if you propose it 544 00:37:39,452 --> 00:37:42,700 can go to university, we have talked about it 545 00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:46,000 if it goes well, he is capable 546 00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:50,900 Katherine talks about things like hairdressing and girls' things 547 00:37:50,935 --> 00:37:53,800 because he still doesn't really know what you want to do 548 00:37:53,835 --> 00:37:56,667 she wants to enjoy the moment 549 00:37:56,702 --> 00:37:59,465 I remember that I was the same at your age 550 00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:02,300 but she loves babies and he always tells me "mommy, I want a baby" 551 00:38:02,335 --> 00:38:05,065 and I tell him "don't even think about it!" 552 00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:10,300 At first it was difficult when I quit. to my job, the fairly high salary I had 553 00:38:11,700 --> 00:38:13,665 ...to have nothing It was difficult 554 00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:17,465 but one gets used to it, whatever the circumstances 555 00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:22,500 one lives them, one gets used to them, fits like everyone else 556 00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:28,000 When your children grew old enough to enter school, Sue went back to work 557 00:38:28,035 --> 00:38:31,800 has an office at the law school at the University of London 558 00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:38,065 I have always worked, but... 559 00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:41,565 anyone with teenage children knows how expensive it is and 560 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,700 these days it's not enough for me to give them everything I would like 561 00:38:44,735 --> 00:38:48,400 especially school tours and things like that 562 00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:52,950 I have some small savings What am I doing to them? 563 00:38:52,985 --> 00:38:55,600 policies to be released when they turn 21 564 00:38:55,700 --> 00:39:00,200 and hopefully things like when they get married or want a car, then... 565 00:39:00,235 --> 00:39:03,400 It's a difficult time when one is alone 566 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:21,165 sounds sweet 567 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,000 we all have little wishes and I would like to sing 568 00:39:25,035 --> 00:39:27,700 along with millions more 569 00:39:27,735 --> 00:39:32,100 570 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:40,700 but I didn't want to give up work and risk everything for that dream 571 00:39:42,500 --> 00:39:45,065 there are still many places where i want to go 572 00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:48,565 crazy things i want to do how to jump from a plane 573 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,165 silly things one can do but for which one never finds time 574 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,600 it seems that there is no time but I think one should do them 575 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,600 Basically I am a happy person 576 00:40:00,700 --> 00:40:02,900 I don't want to get bitter in front of the boys 577 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,800 and that is important, I don't want to make them bitter 578 00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:09,550 because in recent years There have been times when I have suffered 579 00:40:09,585 --> 00:40:13,200 but I have tried to hide them from them because they don't need to know that 580 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,500 Now I'm with someone which feels good 581 00:40:19,535 --> 00:40:22,100 but it's still very early 582 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,000 Repentance... everyone wants be the perfect parents but... 583 00:40:27,035 --> 00:40:30,100 I am not, I do my best 584 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,500 I couldn't say if the worst thing about me it's just that I go out so much 585 00:40:33,535 --> 00:40:36,400 because I don't think that I harmed them 586 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,800 It's a completely different lifestyle. to my parents 587 00:40:40,835 --> 00:40:43,300 but they always They support me and... 588 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,600 if my children are what they are It's more for them than for me 589 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,700 When I grow up I want to get married 590 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,400 I don't know what kind of guy but I think... 591 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,400 not that I have that much money but... 592 00:41:09,435 --> 00:41:12,167 that has money, not much 593 00:41:12,202 --> 00:41:14,900 Do you have a boyfriend? 594 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,900 oh... 595 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,700 That's personal! 596 00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:25,700 I didn't like how you brought that up. 597 00:41:25,735 --> 00:41:28,300 Shall we tell him? 598 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,400 It was truly terrifying What happened to the wedding cake? 599 00:41:33,435 --> 00:41:37,400 It was between me and Mick. 600 00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:42,900 and suddenly the columns gave way and it fell completely 601 00:41:42,935 --> 00:41:47,500 I would say that in general 19 years old is too young 602 00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:53,200 At 35 years old, Jackie had divorced from Mick 603 00:41:54,500 --> 00:41:58,100 We decided it by mutual agreement. 604 00:41:58,135 --> 00:42:01,200 We knew it wasn't working... 605 00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:06,800 ...we knew that at the end of the day We would each be better off on our own. 606 00:42:06,835 --> 00:42:12,600 My mother had five girls because he had seven years of bad luck... 607 00:42:12,635 --> 00:42:15,000 ...that's why he has five girls. 608 00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:18,700 I would like to be able to have a happy family 609 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,300 I know you can't be happy all the time 610 00:42:22,335 --> 00:42:25,100 as much as possible. 611 00:42:25,135 --> 00:42:27,800 That's where the nursery is 612 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,200 - Do you have plans? - Oh, please 613 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,100 She and Mick had decided from a I start not having children 614 00:42:37,300 --> 00:42:41,200 Basically, I would say that it is because I'm too selfish 615 00:42:41,235 --> 00:42:45,100 I like to do what I want. when I want and how I want 616 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:52,000 and, actually, for now, I don't see it possible 617 00:42:52,035 --> 00:42:56,100 I don't want to say that it is a final decision 618 00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:02,100 not this one, that, here 619 00:43:02,135 --> 00:43:03,400 oh yeah 620 00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:08,900 I had a short relationship but with an adorable result that is Charlie 621 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,300 Whoops, Charlie! Don't eat the brush 622 00:43:12,335 --> 00:43:14,400 It's the best thing that ever happened to me 623 00:43:14,435 --> 00:43:16,700 I would never have imagined... 624 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,300 that I would enjoy a son so much 625 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,100 I tell those who ask, I got pregnant 626 00:43:23,135 --> 00:43:25,900 He was no longer with his father. end of story 627 00:43:26,500 --> 00:43:27,700 give us a hug 628 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,100 I don't want Charlie be an only child 629 00:43:30,135 --> 00:43:32,400 I would love for you to have brothers and sisters 630 00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:36,900 Not necessarily fed up! One more is enough! 631 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,500 - Charlie, there's yours - Ya 632 00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:45,300 - And please eat it all - Yes 633 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,500 -And James - Thank you mom - Very good 634 00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:52,700 and the last 635 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,100 Are you going to eat it for me? 636 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,500 After ending your relationship with Charlie's father 637 00:44:00,535 --> 00:44:04,000 she met Ian and they had two more children 638 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,400 Which one is more like you? 639 00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:11,700 For now, in personality probably james 640 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,200 he is the naughty one, the one who has more confidence 641 00:44:15,235 --> 00:44:18,900 Charlie is the quietest, the most serious 642 00:44:18,935 --> 00:44:21,200 Lee is the one launched 643 00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:23,700 If you want to do something, goes and does it 644 00:44:23,735 --> 00:44:26,600 he is not afraid of anything 645 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,900 but they are all good, you can take them almost anywhere 646 00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:33,600 - Almost? - Yes, almost anywhere! 647 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,400 What is it that do you have more fun? 648 00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:39,600 The things they come out with 649 00:44:39,635 --> 00:44:42,700 The unexpected pleasure just seeing them there 650 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,000 I don't know, it's difficult to describe 651 00:44:47,035 --> 00:44:49,700 They always come out with their comments 652 00:44:49,735 --> 00:44:51,200 Ready! 653 00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:57,300 This place is called Newmains 654 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,050 It is 40 minutes from Glasgow by car 655 00:45:00,085 --> 00:45:02,700 and 15 minutes from Motherwell 656 00:45:02,735 --> 00:45:04,600 How did they get here? 657 00:45:04,700 --> 00:45:08,800 The boys' father is Scottish and this is its place of origin 658 00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:11,900 and we decided... 659 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,400 Charlie was about five years old, he was going to enter school and it was time 660 00:45:16,435 --> 00:45:19,700 If we hadn't moved then we would never have done it 661 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,800 but obviously I'm glad it happened that way, this place offers you more 662 00:45:23,835 --> 00:45:26,100 they have more freedom 663 00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:33,100 the treatment of people is more of town 664 00:45:33,135 --> 00:45:36,600 It's good advertising, I think. 665 00:45:36,635 --> 00:45:39,100 I like it better here than in London 666 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:49,600 Shortly after moving to Scotland, Ian and Jackie split up 667 00:45:49,635 --> 00:45:50,700 Yes, James. 668 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,900 We are living alone although he always comes to visit 669 00:45:53,935 --> 00:45:56,200 see the children regularly 670 00:45:58,100 --> 00:45:59,300 Lee 671 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:04,000 When a couple separates, no matter if it was good or bad 672 00:46:04,035 --> 00:46:08,000 there is always a trend to blame 673 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,000 They are insignificant things, "This is your fault..." 674 00:46:13,035 --> 00:46:14,600 and point the finger 675 00:46:15,500 --> 00:46:20,700 It took us a long time realize that the children were listening to us 676 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,200 because they could easily have grew up thinking it was his fault 677 00:46:26,235 --> 00:46:29,900 and it wasn't his fault, no way 678 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,900 They were simply the victims. unlucky 679 00:46:33,900 --> 00:46:38,000 What would you do if you had a lot of money? two pounds 680 00:46:38,035 --> 00:46:42,000 I would buy a new house 681 00:46:42,035 --> 00:46:45,000 make it pretty and comfortable 682 00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:48,500 When Ian and I split up I was in temporary housing 683 00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:51,100 They sent me a few miles from here 684 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,900 but it was furnished because I had nothing 685 00:46:57,900 --> 00:47:01,800 I was there seven weeks and then they offered me this 686 00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:05,400 with the help of my family and friends the word spread 687 00:47:05,500 --> 00:47:09,600 "Jackie needs some things." and everything came suddenly 688 00:47:09,700 --> 00:47:14,100 The poor, if one does not help them they die faster 689 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,600 I don't have enough money, without the help of my mother-in-law... 690 00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:29,600 that helps me fill the gaps, I wouldn't make it to the end of the month 691 00:47:31,500 --> 00:47:36,300 It's hard to explain to someone he hasn't had to do it 692 00:47:36,335 --> 00:47:40,600 but one can arrive to the point where... 693 00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:43,400 you choose between paying a bill or feed your children 694 00:47:43,435 --> 00:47:45,300 and obviously one chooses the children 695 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,500 which means that my mother-in-law pays the bills 696 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,600 or assures me food during next week so I can pay the bill 697 00:47:51,635 --> 00:47:55,100 but... it's not easy live like this 698 00:47:57,300 --> 00:48:00,100 she is spectacular 699 00:48:00,500 --> 00:48:04,300 If I could choose my mother-in-law I would still choose her 700 00:48:04,335 --> 00:48:08,100 he behaves very well with me and with my children 701 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,400 is always there present when I need it 702 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,650 For now, having a career is what is furthest from my mind 703 00:48:19,685 --> 00:48:24,300 I actually don't know what I'm pointing towards, in addition to maintaining the house 704 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,500 My father had a decent education. 705 00:48:27,535 --> 00:48:29,700 never went to school 706 00:48:29,735 --> 00:48:32,300 but at the same time 707 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,300 I don't think he cared Where did I decide to go from? 708 00:48:37,335 --> 00:48:40,100 oh no doubt i I could have done more 709 00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:47,100 when I was young probably laziness stopped me 710 00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:52,000 when I was in my last year my dad made a comment 711 00:48:52,035 --> 00:48:55,267 like maybe he should have demanded a little more from myself 712 00:48:55,302 --> 00:48:58,500 and maybe looking back I think I should have done it. 713 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:03,900 And that's something he didn't do. and what I will probably do with mine 714 00:49:03,935 --> 00:49:07,100 I think I will demand them a little more 715 00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:10,300 James, watch out, you're catching up. 716 00:49:10,335 --> 00:49:11,300 keep going, Lee 717 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,500 I was working here until recently 718 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,300 but they discovered me rheumatoid arthritis 719 00:49:18,335 --> 00:49:22,000 so for now I'm not working 720 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,500 It hurts me a lot, especially hands, feet and shoulders 721 00:49:27,535 --> 00:49:31,500 sometimes it leaves me unable to do anything 722 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:37,000 I get very tired and obviously It is difficult for me at home with the children 723 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,600 there is no cure 724 00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:44,600 at the moment they are trying contain it so it doesn't get worse 725 00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:49,200 It is too early to know if It is giving a lot of results 726 00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:53,600 So I don't really know, but I don't feel very good right now 727 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,100 - Are we ready? - Yes 728 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:02,800 Ya 729 00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:05,900 Swimming is one of the best things for arthritis 730 00:50:05,935 --> 00:50:08,817 It always helps when don't overexert yourself 731 00:50:08,852 --> 00:50:11,700 but anyway, tomorrow I'll get the bill 732 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,100 tomorrow I'm going to walk stiff 733 00:50:18,300 --> 00:50:20,500 I shouldn't carry Lee 734 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,500 If Lee wants to give away, he should sit him down. on my legs and give it away there 735 00:50:24,535 --> 00:50:27,917 but how do you tell a child four years old that you can't carry it? 736 00:50:27,952 --> 00:50:31,300 I can't stop being his mom just because I don't feel well 737 00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:38,000 Do you remember those scenes when you were 21 years old 738 00:50:38,100 --> 00:50:41,850 when we showed them the houses in East Tilbury? 739 00:50:41,885 --> 00:50:45,600 - Time has passed, huh? - A bit! My God! 740 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,800 Yes, in fact, don't show that image in this scene please! 741 00:50:49,835 --> 00:50:52,600 with the double chins and age and... 742 00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:55,000 the funny thing is that 743 00:50:55,100 --> 00:50:58,000 one does not think about one's age until you start thinking about those things 744 00:50:58,035 --> 00:51:02,000 when one thinks How many years ago did that happen? 745 00:51:02,035 --> 00:51:04,600 when everything was starting 746 00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:08,800 and now I'm in the same situation, I have started all over again 747 00:51:08,835 --> 00:51:11,300 but now with three children 748 00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:13,600 but that's life 749 00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:15,800 There are so many hopes that no longer 750 00:51:15,835 --> 00:51:18,800 There is still, there is still 751 00:51:18,835 --> 00:51:20,800 Don't get me wrong, Mike. 752 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,500 I feel bad and depressed for my illness 753 00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,200 but not for a moment for my life 754 00:51:28,235 --> 00:51:30,900 I don't... nothing is going to achieve that 755 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,200 I have three wonderful children, I have the love of my family 756 00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:39,900 I'm lucky, there are people much worse than me 757 00:51:39,935 --> 00:51:42,100 many people 758 00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:47,200 We play what we have swords 759 00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:50,300 and we make the noises of swords fighting 760 00:51:50,335 --> 00:51:53,300 and when they hit someone We say "AHHH!" 761 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,300 Neil grew up in a suburb in Liverpool 762 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,700 in the winter if you live in the field 763 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,200 It's all wet and there's nothing in miles around one 764 00:52:05,235 --> 00:52:09,000 and one gets wet if you want to go out 765 00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:12,400 and there is no roof apart from your own home 766 00:52:12,435 --> 00:52:15,600 but in the city one can go out on winter days when it rains 767 00:52:15,700 --> 00:52:19,600 because there is always some ceiling because there are always many places 768 00:52:19,635 --> 00:52:22,300 At 14 years old, I was in a local high school 769 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,000 I think it's good let there be competition 770 00:52:25,100 --> 00:52:29,100 because if not, one can relax and doesn't make an effort 771 00:52:29,135 --> 00:52:33,100 in group 1 it is very difficult keep pace with the leaders 772 00:52:33,135 --> 00:52:36,000 I never have time to relax 773 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,200 Neil dreamed of going to Oxford but couldn't enter 774 00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:44,800 and instead he went to the University of Aberdeen but dropped out in the first cycle 775 00:52:44,835 --> 00:52:49,300 At 21 I was working in a construction and living as a squatter 776 00:52:49,335 --> 00:52:51,400 I came to London and 777 00:52:51,500 --> 00:52:54,700 contact an agency of squatters 778 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,050 and they gave me the address of 779 00:52:58,085 --> 00:53:01,392 someone who could help to those who seek 780 00:53:01,427 --> 00:53:04,713 accommodation in London 781 00:53:04,748 --> 00:53:08,000 you turned your back on him to stability... 782 00:53:08,100 --> 00:53:13,000 Honestly, I don't think I ever I had stability 783 00:53:13,035 --> 00:53:15,467 I don't remember having some time of stability in my life 784 00:53:15,502 --> 00:53:17,900 I don't think it's giving him the back to nothing 785 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,200 I think I have been kicking all my life 786 00:53:22,235 --> 00:53:24,200 At 28 years old I had no home 787 00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:27,300 he dedicated himself to traveling the west coast of scotland 788 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,300 If the state didn't give us money, we probably committed crimes 789 00:53:32,335 --> 00:53:35,600 I am happy not to have what to steal to survive 790 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,200 if the money runs out I can't go anywhere 791 00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:46,100 the only thing left for me is to find the warmest booth I can 792 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,300 How do people see you here? 793 00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:54,100 Well they still see me like an eccentric 794 00:53:54,500 --> 00:54:00,400 just as I have been since 16 years old 795 00:54:00,500 --> 00:54:07,000 I'm not saying I feel like I'm in nirvana or anything like that but 796 00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:11,700 If I were living in a room In the suburbs I would be miserable 797 00:54:11,735 --> 00:54:14,200 they would make me want to kill myself 798 00:54:14,300 --> 00:54:17,400 At 35 years old he was living in subsidized housing 799 00:54:17,500 --> 00:54:21,200 in the far north of Britain, on the Shetland Islands 800 00:54:21,300 --> 00:54:24,800 The good thing here is that one can disconnect whenever you want 801 00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:29,600 because there are neighbors but they are very discreet 802 00:54:29,635 --> 00:54:34,100 It is an environment that sustains me, where I can survive 803 00:54:34,135 --> 00:54:36,667 I still feel that my authentic place is in the world 804 00:54:36,702 --> 00:54:39,101 where people do what the majority 805 00:54:39,136 --> 00:54:41,500 and the reason why not I feel safe it's because 806 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,800 I think I'm getting used to it to this lifestyle 807 00:54:45,835 --> 00:54:49,100 that, over time, I will have to abandon 808 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,000 And what would you like to be doing in about seven more years? 809 00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:56,500 There are many things that I would like to ask but the real question 810 00:54:56,535 --> 00:55:00,500 is what is most likely what are you doing 811 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,200 And what is most likely what are you doing? 812 00:55:08,235 --> 00:55:10,500 That's a question terrible 813 00:55:10,900 --> 00:55:16,800 I think I'll be wandering homeless through the streets of London 814 00:55:16,835 --> 00:55:20,100 but with some luck that won't happen 815 00:55:25,100 --> 00:55:30,800 Some of the advantages What the inhabitants of Trowbridge have 816 00:55:30,835 --> 00:55:33,800 compared to those of others Hackney sectors 817 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,150 is that first of all, They are geographically isolated. 818 00:55:37,185 --> 00:55:39,900 They are separated from the most of Hackney by... 819 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,100 At 42 years old, he is a councilor Liberal Democrat in Hackney 820 00:55:44,135 --> 00:55:46,900 was elected two years ago 821 00:55:47,900 --> 00:55:52,100 Being in Shetland I felt very strongly the call of politics 822 00:55:52,135 --> 00:55:57,200 basically because I felt that I wasn't achieving things the way I wanted. 823 00:55:57,235 --> 00:56:00,267 and I saw that there were decisions politics involved 824 00:56:00,302 --> 00:56:03,300 made by people who felt that I was not qualified to do them 825 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,600 and that they did not represent to the majority of the people 826 00:56:06,700 --> 00:56:10,700 and it made me angry and I thought that, in my own way I had to get there 827 00:56:10,735 --> 00:56:12,700 and I think there should be more people who do it 828 00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:17,200 I think it's apathy that causes bad government at all levels 829 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,700 You are many miles from the Shetland Islands, How do you adapt to that? 830 00:56:22,735 --> 00:56:27,600 That's one aspect, adapting to London after so much time away 831 00:56:27,700 --> 00:56:32,300 although he had returned occasionally It was extremely difficult 832 00:56:32,335 --> 00:56:36,900 became easier and easier, first six hours were a nightmare 833 00:56:36,935 --> 00:56:39,100 and the first week It was terrible 834 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,500 I guess it took me a year to adapt 835 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,800 I guess ...well, that 836 00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:52,900 I would like to be in a position of importance, it's something I've always thought 837 00:56:53,300 --> 00:56:56,600 but I don't think I'm the right person to have that responsibility 838 00:56:56,635 --> 00:56:59,800 whatever, I always thought that I would like to be... 839 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:05,300 even be in politics or something like that 840 00:57:05,335 --> 00:57:09,200 The long-term question? The delegation 841 00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:12,100 As you know, the Democrats liberals... 842 00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:17,900 Do you get nervous in speeches, debates or when you have to defend positions? 843 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,400 Yes, of course, and that would be wrong. that it was not like that 844 00:57:20,500 --> 00:57:24,400 the councilor who does not feel nervous he's not doing his job 845 00:57:25,100 --> 00:57:28,200 after the first time it gets a little easier 846 00:57:28,300 --> 00:57:32,300 I'm glad you didn't film me first speech because the majority left the chamber 847 00:57:32,335 --> 00:57:35,900 and like Disraeli I was going to say something like that 848 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,800 "Well, now you don't listen to me But someday they will." 849 00:57:38,835 --> 00:57:41,600 but fortunately the majority I had already left the camera 850 00:57:41,635 --> 00:57:43,300 so it wasn't even worth it say that 851 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,600 and I don't think it is either necessarily the case 852 00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:54,300 I'm going to take people to the countryside and to the beach 853 00:57:54,335 --> 00:57:58,000 and I'm going to bring a big speaker on the bus 854 00:57:58,100 --> 00:58:02,100 and I'm going to tell you where come on, where are we going 855 00:58:02,135 --> 00:58:07,000 and the names of the roads and all that 856 00:58:07,035 --> 00:58:10,600 - Are your days long? - Yes, it happens 857 00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:18,400 do you have friends somewhere? 858 00:58:18,500 --> 00:58:20,400 I still have good friends in england 859 00:58:20,500 --> 00:58:27,500 Father God, we thank you for the love you showed us in creation 860 00:58:28,500 --> 00:58:32,700 we pray that love grow and take root 861 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:37,600 wherever Bruce and Penny meet from today 862 00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:42,100 we pray that you give them understanding and patience 863 00:58:42,135 --> 00:58:45,400 I think it was after 28 Up 864 00:58:45,500 --> 00:58:50,400 there was a dinner organized for say goodbye to everyone 865 00:58:50,900 --> 00:58:56,800 I think the idea was that we let's meet and become friends 866 00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:01,100 but I think Neil showed up without warning, I don't remember well 867 00:59:01,135 --> 00:59:03,400 - I came from Scotland - Oh, sure. 868 00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:07,000 and I think it had not been organized a space to accommodate it 869 00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:11,050 I think there was something for everyone... I'm not very sure 870 00:59:11,085 --> 00:59:15,000 and I said "well, if you want "You stay in my guest bed." 871 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,550 I think it's been two months between when I moved 872 00:59:20,585 --> 00:59:24,700 from Shetland to London and I found my own accommodation 873 00:59:24,735 --> 00:59:27,400 and all that time I stayed where bruce 874 00:59:27,435 --> 00:59:29,600 Was it difficult? 875 00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:32,200 Not at all, it was a exemplary host 876 00:59:32,235 --> 00:59:34,700 although he always insisted on measuring 877 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,900 the amount of water there was in the bathtub! 878 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,700 And I don't know why I would do that, I never knew! 879 00:59:41,735 --> 00:59:44,867 I hope you don't mind that say this but... like... 880 00:59:44,902 --> 00:59:48,000 I found it a bit noisy! refrigerator and turned it off! 881 00:59:48,100 --> 00:59:51,750 There were times when I went for a walk around the block or... 882 00:59:51,785 --> 00:59:55,400 - I didn't stay to talk - No, no, no, it's true 883 00:59:55,500 --> 00:59:59,550 No, I admit that I was not the one exemplary guest 884 00:59:59,585 --> 01:00:03,600 however that only confirms how patient you really were 885 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,400 How has Bruce helped you? 886 01:00:06,500 --> 01:00:09,600 Well, he has been a very loyal friend 887 01:00:09,700 --> 01:00:14,500 I appreciate what he did to help me settle in London 888 01:00:14,535 --> 01:00:19,300 and be a person to talk to when I needed it 889 01:00:19,335 --> 01:00:21,600 When I grow up I want to be an astronaut 890 01:00:21,700 --> 01:00:25,400 but if I can't be an astronaut I will be a bus driver 891 01:00:25,435 --> 01:00:29,100 It is probably related to the fact that I like to travel 892 01:00:29,135 --> 01:00:30,800 It didn't change my mind much 893 01:00:30,900 --> 01:00:33,700 I would definitely like it be a bus driver 894 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,900 I have studied to teach English as a foreign language 895 01:00:38,935 --> 01:00:41,300 I have been in training courses 896 01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,900 I obtained a degree at an open university, That was maybe what took the most time. 897 01:00:47,500 --> 01:00:50,600 It was a bachelor's degree. at an open university 898 01:00:51,500 --> 01:00:54,100 I took subjects 899 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,300 I think that counts as background and actually... 900 01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,500 maybe you want to know if I have made some job and the answer is no 901 01:01:01,535 --> 01:01:02,800 - Another one? - Here you go 902 01:01:02,900 --> 01:01:05,100 Oh, there will be many in the next weeks 903 01:01:05,700 --> 01:01:08,200 All political work Neil is a volunteer 904 01:01:08,300 --> 01:01:10,800 like the campaign on the ground What did he do for the liberal democrats? 905 01:01:10,835 --> 01:01:13,717 in the Winchester by-election from last year 906 01:01:13,752 --> 01:01:16,600 live completely with state benefits 907 01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:22,200 I haven't had a separate paid job. of some government programs 908 01:01:22,235 --> 01:01:25,900 work in community theater for about six weeks 909 01:01:26,500 --> 01:01:30,300 Gardener work, inevitably 910 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,300 Are you worried about living on benefits? of the state? 911 01:01:33,335 --> 01:01:34,900 Yes, of course 912 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:39,000 I feel like I'm bleeding at people who work to deliver that money 913 01:01:39,035 --> 01:01:42,400 I don't think they shouldn't exist. the benefits 914 01:01:42,500 --> 01:01:46,900 I think there should be jobs for everyone. or for those who want to work 915 01:01:46,935 --> 01:01:50,200 and I'm not happy with them efforts that... 916 01:01:50,300 --> 01:01:54,850 that have been done to provide employment to those who want it 917 01:01:54,885 --> 01:01:59,400 when I get married I don't want to have children because 918 01:01:59,500 --> 01:02:05,400 They are always up to mischief and dirtying the house 919 01:02:05,435 --> 01:02:08,400 I don't know what the best stage is to fall in love 920 01:02:08,500 --> 01:02:12,100 maybe when you fall in love in the adolescence, you really fall in love 921 01:02:12,135 --> 01:02:16,067 and when later you think you are in love, you are not 922 01:02:16,102 --> 01:02:20,301 or maybe I'm not old enough yet to really fall in love 923 01:02:20,336 --> 01:02:24,500 I always told myself no I wanted to have children 924 01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,950 Why? 925 01:02:27,985 --> 01:02:30,100 because 926 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:34,700 children inherit something of his parents 927 01:02:34,735 --> 01:02:37,500 and even if my wife was the... 928 01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,600 most courageous person and normal of the world 929 01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:47,800 our son would continue with that probability of not being totally... 930 01:02:47,835 --> 01:02:53,900 happy because having inherited that about me 931 01:02:54,700 --> 01:02:57,400 Well I'm not married 932 01:02:57,435 --> 01:03:00,100 And I value all the experiences 933 01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:04,500 I feel that that part of my life has not happened 934 01:03:05,700 --> 01:03:10,900 I'm not gay so I do yearn a stable relationship with a woman 935 01:03:10,935 --> 01:03:13,500 I have never been able to achieve it, and 936 01:03:13,535 --> 01:03:17,100 I think I'm something deficient in... 937 01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,850 my ability to react to the needs of others 938 01:03:20,885 --> 01:03:24,500 for not having had that kind of relationship 939 01:03:25,900 --> 01:03:30,700 I feel, especially when I'm alone 940 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:34,500 I'm losing touch with the reality of other people 941 01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:39,000 Are you worried about your mental health? 942 01:03:42,100 --> 01:03:45,300 Other people sometimes they worry 943 01:03:45,335 --> 01:03:47,400 Like who? 944 01:03:50,900 --> 01:03:57,700 Like I said, sometimes I can start to behave erratically 945 01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,500 sometimes I get frustrated, I get very angry 946 01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:06,400 for no apparent reason, for a reason that the people around me don't see 947 01:04:06,435 --> 01:04:08,600 Do you ever think What are you going crazy? 948 01:04:08,635 --> 01:04:11,800 Oh I don't think about it, I know 949 01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:14,900 well, because... 950 01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:19,900 We can't say the word "crazy" but, well... 951 01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,900 I think most people they are crazy 952 01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:28,200 recently i have had much better health than in other times of my life 953 01:04:28,235 --> 01:04:32,700 maybe keep me busy has been part of the cure 954 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:41,500 and I believe that my Christian faith has helped me 955 01:04:41,535 --> 01:04:42,700 Thank you very much, Neil. 956 01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:47,100 for the prayers, they were beautiful and thoughtful 957 01:04:47,135 --> 01:04:50,800 I also think that like my friends who have been so loyal have... 958 01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:55,400 They have been able to know me better, they always know can get to know people better 959 01:04:55,435 --> 01:04:57,900 that they themselves they have been able... 960 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,900 support and be empathetic in the most appropriate ways 961 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,900 - Are you having a good time in your life? - Yes, I have probably never been busier. 962 01:05:07,935 --> 01:05:11,100 and I have never been in contact with so many people 963 01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:15,500 Please place all pamphlets in mailboxes 964 01:05:15,535 --> 01:05:19,800 I feel incredibly grateful for the opportunity to do what I do 965 01:05:19,900 --> 01:05:23,900 I thank those who elected me, I hope I haven't disappointed you 966 01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:31,000 I hope to be re-elected, that depends on me performance in the last two years 967 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,600 In May, Neil was re-elected for another period 968 01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:40,600 I don't think there is a councilor in the country. who does not want to be in Parliament 969 01:05:40,635 --> 01:05:43,200 if they say that every parliamentarian wants to be prime minister 970 01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:46,800 but right now I'm very happy working on the council 971 01:05:46,900 --> 01:05:51,500 and trying to satisfy what I see as Hackney's greatest needs 972 01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:57,200 I guess I've done more things than in previous programs 973 01:05:57,235 --> 01:06:01,900 But what if I have changed my way of being? I couldn't say 974 01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:10,400 What do you enjoy most in your life? at this moment? 975 01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,800 I think looking to the future 976 01:06:17,700 --> 01:06:21,400 That's something that has improved, right? 977 01:06:21,435 --> 01:06:25,100 well, maybe it's because I'm getting old 978 01:06:25,135 --> 01:06:28,100 but I think... 979 01:06:29,300 --> 01:06:32,900 that has made me believe that things They can't be that bad in the future. 980 01:06:32,935 --> 01:06:35,600 as they have been in the past 981 01:06:36,500 --> 01:06:41,500 I think here in Hackney I have certain short term goals 982 01:06:41,535 --> 01:06:46,100 and if I can achieve any of that I will be satisfied 983 01:06:55,500 --> 01:06:58,950 How has being in these documentaries? 984 01:06:58,985 --> 01:07:02,400 It's funny because before documentaries one thinks... 985 01:07:02,500 --> 01:07:07,350 What the hell have I done in these seven years what could I count? 986 01:07:07,385 --> 01:07:12,200 and you panic and you think you should having done something, something dramatic 987 01:07:12,300 --> 01:07:16,200 Last night I was hoping to win the lottery to come tell it! 988 01:07:16,235 --> 01:07:18,400 Well, life it's not like that 989 01:07:19,300 --> 01:07:22,000 We were talking about my ambitions as a scientist 990 01:07:22,100 --> 01:07:26,300 and my ambition is to be more famous for do science than for being in this movie 991 01:07:26,335 --> 01:07:28,400 but unfortunately that It's not going to happen! 992 01:07:28,500 --> 01:07:32,600 I have met very interesting people and I keep in touch with them 993 01:07:32,635 --> 01:07:36,500 and this includes people from various parts of the world 994 01:07:37,300 --> 01:07:43,100 through the program they have been armed one or two particularly close friendships 995 01:07:43,135 --> 01:07:46,800 although in the initial contacts I had my suspicions 996 01:07:46,900 --> 01:07:52,200 I don't think I would have kept a record. of my life like the one we have with this program 997 01:07:52,235 --> 01:07:55,000 and yes, I enjoy it but... 998 01:07:55,100 --> 01:07:59,300 It's not a high priority 999 01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:03,500 if you asked me if you can do this with my children 1000 01:08:03,535 --> 01:08:05,200 I wouldn't be particularly excited 1001 01:08:05,235 --> 01:08:08,000 I think it's something that... 1002 01:08:08,100 --> 01:08:11,700 I don't wish it on anyone particularly 1003 01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:17,800 I think that during the first forty years restricted me 1004 01:08:18,300 --> 01:08:21,300 because I have always been shy 1005 01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:25,200 and knowing that people I was going to see and observe 1006 01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:30,700 instead of doing something that looks stupid I always inhibited 1007 01:08:31,300 --> 01:08:34,900 For me, there is a lot of baggage stirs every seven years 1008 01:08:34,935 --> 01:08:38,800 things that I struggle with deal 1009 01:08:39,100 --> 01:08:42,700 and that I can keep during seven years and then he comes out again 1010 01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:46,800 all that comes out suddenly and I I have to deal with it over and over again. 1011 01:08:46,835 --> 01:08:50,000 has not changed my decisions in life 1012 01:08:50,100 --> 01:08:53,400 I haven't thought "I have to be doing this by then or... 1013 01:08:53,435 --> 01:08:56,200 "How will the others be?" things like that 1014 01:08:56,300 --> 01:08:59,000 It's just a small invasion periodic 1015 01:08:59,100 --> 01:09:01,800 It's the only time one He's a taxi driver... 1016 01:09:01,900 --> 01:09:06,500 and not that one picks up a famous person and say "oh, you're Paul Gascoigne!" 1017 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,600 and they say "oh, I know you" and they turn it around 1018 01:09:10,635 --> 01:09:11,700 Do you like that? 1019 01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:15,700 I don't think it's a matter of taste, I'm used to it 1020 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:20,800 I must say that I regretted it terribly. that the school principal 1021 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,900 Where did I go when I was seven years old? pushed me to participate 1022 01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:30,200 because every seven years is a little poison pill that is injected... 1023 01:09:30,235 --> 01:09:32,900 - Oh no! - It's true! 1024 01:09:32,935 --> 01:09:34,800 Honestly, I think... 1025 01:09:34,900 --> 01:09:38,800 despite everything there will be said in all these years about... 1026 01:09:38,835 --> 01:09:40,300 "oh no, again the program!" 1027 01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:44,600 I think also a certain dose of enthusiasm 1028 01:09:44,635 --> 01:09:47,400 I guess I'm enough old to admit it 1029 01:09:47,435 --> 01:09:50,300 probably has his entertaining side 1030 01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,700 some of us don't see our families from one year to the next 1031 01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:58,100 and I think we all feel that way Regarding each other, we have a bond 1032 01:09:58,135 --> 01:10:00,500 and that cannot disappear 1033 01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:03,800 after your day special in London 1034 01:10:03,835 --> 01:10:06,800 after his trip to the zoo and the party 1035 01:10:06,900 --> 01:10:10,100 we take the children to a playground 1036 01:10:10,135 --> 01:10:12,600 where they could do what they like 1037 01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:18,400 those who lived in a children's home they started to build a house 1038 01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:31,600 Nicholas 1039 01:10:37,900 --> 01:10:39,300 and tony 1040 01:10:45,900 --> 01:10:47,100 Andrew 1041 01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:53,400 and bruce 1042 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,000 suzi 1043 01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:12,600 Jackie and her friends 1044 01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,200 give me a child up to seven years 1045 01:11:21,235 --> 01:11:23,800 and I will give them to the man 1046 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:36,300 This has been a glimpse to the future of Britain